Has anybody else ever gotten GIANT dental crowns like this?

If any of you are suffering from TMJ pain go to see a NM dentist

If any of you are suffering from TMJ pain go to see a NM dentist and go to PHASE 2 where crowns are installed to replace the orthodic, make sure you get anatomically correct teeth, and not GIANT blocks like these. They will damage your TMJ, your bite, your face, give you a movement disorder and interfere with your ability to chew and speak and the changes ar irreversible without surgery. Has anybody else ever gotten GIANT dental crowns like this????


Discussion


Marvin Lindqvist
Not me. Is that you? Is that a expansion device, if you: is it working?

Kate Carpenter
That is me, my dentist “lost” the before pictures with my normal small teeth…the expansion worked to push the teeth out of the way but is NOW being reversed.

Marvin Lindqvist
How is your tongue posture, and how did you breath growing up?

Tatiana Gelfand
Ha-ha, my dentist “lost” my “before” X-rays in the mail while later when his fraudulent bill became uncovered by the insurance company he claimed that he submitted another patient’s X-ray to them. LOL. How come my X-rays got lost in the mail then? 😉 It’s a standard lie to cover up whatever they need to cover up. 😉

Tatiana Gelfand
You know, on dead people the jaw falls out down completely. That’s when all the muscles are fully relaxed. Glad the NM didn’t get that much relaxation from TENSING you, or else the length would have been even larger. 😉

Dave Shirazi
these huge incisors look like something out of LVI and 3 hrs of tensing

Kate Carpenter
Not sure i had a full 3 hours….

Dave Shirazi
Im glad 🙂 I joke because they do it for 1-4 hours, and the longer you do it, the longer the teeth end up being 😉

Kate Carpenter
Dave Shirazi they added 5mm of height and only God knows how much to add it to the width, so I got screwed on the tens I guess?

Denise Pereira
Karen , It looks super thick as well .

Tatiana Gelfand
I was lucky then. After 1.5 hours of tensing my jaw was still going in loops, as an NM told me. So he didn’t know what to do and kicked me out.

Tatiana Gelfand
You know, on dead people the jaw falls out down completely. That’s when all the muscles are fully relaxed. Glad the NM didn’t get that much relaxation from TENSING you, or else the length would have been even larger. 😉

Dave Shirazi
There is plenty of evidence for Tensing to be effective in the treatment of myocitis, jaw pain, neck pain, etc. I have never seen research that tensing in order to get a bite registration holds an ideal jaw/skull relationship.

Amit Alok Pandey
Dave Shirazi, tensing removes the torques and relaxes the muscles and thus bite registration can be the good starting point. Having said that, the displaced disc will continue to give wrong bite registration despite tens, this is my thinking.

Dave Shirazi
Amit tensing does not give an orthopedic or neurologic jaw position. It is a modality to treat pain, that’s it.

Amit Alok Pandey

Dave Shirazi, they say, tens gives involuntary closure of the mandible. What do you say ? Isn’t that important to start with?

Dave Shirazi
What does that even mean and how is it relevant to jaw position??

Kate Carpenter
Amit Alok Pandey,
Dave Shirazi for me the Tensing relaxed the muscles. I was told by my nm dentist that it is how he located my “ideal” jaw position. My observation that while its ideal to have the jaw relaxed, you can’t just shift somebody’s jaw into some ‘happy place” for the muscles and expect it to hold. Why? …because it WON”T STAY THERE. At the same time, IT WONT go back where it was either, My old dentist gave me 40 – 50 purple bite registrations/splints made of dental impression material to train my bite into its “new relaxed position.” The jaw and teeth have so many functions that I now have greater appreciation for since I have lost so many of them. Based on my personal experience, I feel like I could lecture on this topic in a more informative way than many dentists.

Kate Carpenter
Amit Alok Pandev “gives involuntary closure” might be true but that is not beneficial in relocating the relationship of the teeth and bite

Dave Shirazi
Exactly Kate

Amit Alok Pandey
Kate Carpenter, you are very informative and I see a great of commonality in the views of all TMD patients who have been ruined by dentists of different expertise. I am sure most tmd patients know more than many dentists regarding tmd.

Kate Carpenter
Amit Alok Pandey, its crazy. All this stuff i never wanted to know.. Heartbreaking, the stories i read. “Why I Became a Lawyer, Not a Dentist.” by Kate Carpenter

Amit Alok Pandey
Kate Carpenter, if I were to write autobiography, it will be tiltled “Two premolars”. I see some connection with my previous lives. Actually we are all governed by the impressions of the past lives.

Amit Alok Pandey
“Why do we go wrong despite our best efforts ?”

Tatiana Gelfand
Amit Alok Pandey, do you mean dental impressions? From algenate or other? LOL

Tatiana Gelfand

Dave Shirazi, I think the tensing machine imposes these closures and they have nothing to do with the physiologically correct TMJ closure.

Dave Shirazi
Exactly Tatiana

Clayton A. Chan
Cosmetic dentists need to learn how to do orthodontics and correctly position bones and teeth prior restorative.

Thelma Louise Davis
I tend to think cosmetic dentists do better at making teeth than general dentists who dabble in it bc all they do is cosmetic work, so they are up on the latest trends and stay abreast of latest technology. its the general dentists that dabble in cosmetic dentistry, orthodontia and tmj tx that do the most damage imo – they are like handymen who try and do it all and yet have no expertise, they take a 1-2 day seminar in something and tack a new plaque up on their wall.

Lisa Berner-Schmidt

Like the orthodontist who hurt me. He had me recline and pushed my jaw back for a wax bite to make a splint. Shouldn’t he have known that would cause the discs to slip? Do they not teach anything about the TMJ in dental school? So many are hurt by dentists.

Clayton A. Chan

Cosmetic dentists are general dentists…they are not specialists… I have trained and interacted with many GPs who have done great cosmetic work…just like GPs who are TMD doctors….it is how much do they dabble and focus on those areas of interest that makes them great at what they do. Some dabble in ortho, some dabble in TMD, some dabble in cosmetics, or implants…but who are those GPs who don’t dabble, but go all guns for what they do the best in those areas of interest…that is what is important if I were a patient seeking a particular mode of care. We don’t need dabblers…we need serious experts in those areas that are key and important.

Clayton A. Chan
I would agree, not all GPs do TMD or ortho or cosmetics, etc full time…they usually like to supplement what they normally do with some fancy and interest in cosmetics, or ortho and even TMD…but not full time effort as some do. That is the difference…. Dabblers vs. Experts.

Lisa Berner-Schmidt
All dentists should be educated in the jaw and how it works. Too many have been harmed by dentists. Maybe a specialist treats TMJ, but if you are filling teeth you better know what pressure on the jaw could do. It’s sad.

Kate Carpenter
Clayton A. Chan, “post graduate education emphasizing cosmetic and reconstructive dental procedures. Emphasizing TMJ rehabilitation and malocclusion therapy.” As a consumer, one would think that he specialized in TMJ, So hard to tell he was a dabbler in disguise. jack of all trades, master of none.

Thelma Louise Davis
yes in answer to your question, several times in fact. I think they make them huge to justify the price they charge for them.

Kate Carpenter
less is more, except here where more is more.

Clayton A. Chan
Bigger teeth, bigger smile….is that what was in mind…

Tatiana Gelfand
More visible on the “after” photo for his album of excellence of “happy beautiful smiles”. 😉

Thelma Louise Davis
do you think it has something to do with a male dentists not understanding or being familiar with women’s anatomy in that we tend to be smaller framed (generally speaking) and have smaller features? would a female dentist working on a female patient also make huge teeth? or is it that man-made teeth lend themselves to being bulky due to their design – in some cases using porcelain fused to metal – or the technology and instruments used to make them?

Tatiana Gelfand
One prostho told me that he couldn’t make teeth for me because I did not have all teeth root canalled (why would I, if they were good teeth?? LOL). So he could not guarantee his work for 30 years! LOL
I think male dentists are concerned about force, strength, longevity of their restorations not about their proper functionality, aesthetics and even less so about matching other teeth, face and so on.

Lisa Berner-Schmidt
Kate it’s awful what that dentist did to you!

Jessica Lynn Palombo
My NM dentist wanted to do this to me, but I told him there was no way I was going to allow that. He also wanted 50k to do it 🙄

Kate Carpenter
yep, if only i knew what i know now….it cost many times that to fix

Pete Robinson
So much greed in the world Jessica Lynn Palombo

Kate Carpenter
plus gross incompetence in my case

Pete Robinson
You know i never saw a dentist for 30 years until last year and now i know why….

Tatiana Gelfand
Because you were smart! Right?

Pete Robinson
Its awful what they do to most of us

John Bell
They look like the ones that are made in China. I have one and it never fit properly with the opposing tooth and my new dentist says it’s leaking too.

Clayton A. Chan
Why don’t dentists all learn how to do proper orthodontics first, without cutting up good teeth. On the flip side why don’t orthodontists also learn how to do proper orthopedics to allow dental arches properly so cases that have lots of failed restorative can allow GP dentists to do proper restorative dentistry in the proper position… and for the restorative GPs, it would sure be nice if they too would learn both ortho/orthopedics and properly align the upper and lower arches physiologically so everyone doesn’t have to keep guessing why things are going wrong and why things are not working out

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