Simple way to cure TMD ( jaw region pain disorders ) ?

It could be difficult to keep the jaw postured forwards when you are sleeping

A FREE and simple way to cure TMD (jaw region pain disorders)? Sounds too good to be true? Not if you understand TMJ mechanics.
The cause of TMD is a jammed TM cavity. When the bite is established too far back due to maxillary underdevelopment, the TM fossa becomes compressed in resting position. We know this due to the prevalence of retrodiscal tissue rupture, amongst other, and maximally retracted resting position of the mandible in TMD sufferers.
This can easily be fixed by protracting the mandible 2-4mm in posture, and relearning how to open and close the mouth. The mandible should protract as it opens. Patients with TMD always RETRACT their jaw when opening the mouth.
1: Protract the jaw 2-4mm (sometimes more is required) without clenching the suprahyoid. Stay there.
2: Learn how to open the mouth properly.
3: Exercise your pterygoids.
That’s it. I have a close to 100% success rate treating TMD with this method, no relapse. Unjam the TM-fossa in posture and it’ll finally heal on its own, permanently. No need for splints, occlusal work or expensive therapies. None of that.


Discussion


Eva Willer-andersen
Thanks for the article suggestions are always welcome . We would all like a solution that did not involve splints and dental work .This may work in some cases which are less compromised but I am sorry to say that for many it won’t be enough also I think you have to be careful posturing the mandible forwards without first going down if you have joint damage .

Kjetil Larsen
Let’s agree to disagree 🙂

Keren Purchase
It could be difficult to keep the jaw postured forwards when you are sleeping

Kjetil Larsen
This is addressed in the article

Keren Purchase
Kjetil Larsen, where in the article is how to sleep with the jaw in a more forwards posture explained, as I can’t find it?

Kjetil Larsen
See bruxism subchapter
Night position doesn’t matter unless you’re a lot worse when waking up.

Maurizio Giacomello
🤣😂🤣😂 Absolutely crazy! who created this method didn’t know the basis of neurosciences…

Jitu Valand
I am happy to give this a go if you teach me how to do it properly …. And how long does it take to see results and how long does it take to be fully recovered ? I will post my
Results in this group ?

Kjetil Larsen
Just read the article, it’s all there for free. I’m not posting this article to make money, but to help people who are obviously not getting help. Because the whole foundation and theory of the cause of tmd is flawed and doesn’t work. You’ll see results fast because unjamming the fossa immediately allows the TMJ to start healing. Maximum two weeks if done properly. An exception would be severe bruxism at night. Fully recover depends what side-symptoms you have. I’m talking strictly of tmd. The TMJ will heal up within 8 weeks normally, but pain greatly subside long before that. IF the protocol is done properly.

Tiago Oliveira
So, and what will you do about the muscular component? I’m sure you know that most of TMD are more muscular than articular…

Kjetil Larsen
That’s a garbage statement based on guessing. The physical jamming is the by far biggest problem and driver of the whole dysfunction.
But yes, there’s a muscular component and a nerve component.
First of all, when the TMJ is balanced it will no longer promote imbalances such as excessive temporalis activity (which perpetuates posterior translation and shearing of the TMJ). “Tiredness” in the jaw is caused by continuous stretching of the pterygoids, which will resolve once proper movement and resting position is established.
The masseters are protractors and often inhibit when the jaw “lives” in retraction. Rarely will they need to be addressed directly. But they can be by promoting a more forward than backward chew.
Nerve component is either buccal nerve within pterygoids (that are weak) or auriculotemporal compresión behind the mandibular ramus. Get the jaw forward, strengthen pterygoids and it’ll resolve over time.
The mechanical compression in the TMJ and/or into the auriculotemporal nerves caused by excessive posterior translation of the mandible are by far the most common causes of symptoms.

Kjetil Larsen
How many in this forum haven’t “treated trigger points” day and night for years with no permanent resolution in sight!! Use common sense! There has to be an underlying cause of all of these issues????
Doing the same over and over but expecting another result is the definition of madness, ref. Einstein!

Jules Longley
There are multiple possible causes of TMD. This might be one. Do you have some studies to back up your claim of close to 100% success rate? I have never seen any numbers even close to that in TMD treatment.

Kjetil Larsen
These are MY personal in-clinic results treating patients! Read the article, I have no more energy to keep arguing here.

Jules Longley
I did read the article, but I didn’t see any numbers from studies except for one that said 40% success.

Jules Longley
I think if you are relying on anecdotal evidence, such as in-clinic results, you can’t claim a near-100% success rate. You can say, “all or nearly all of my patients improved.” But when you throw out numbers that makes it look like a research study.

Kjetil Larsen
You have no idea what you read in that article, obviously. Keep looking for studie that confirm the cure of any chronic pain – it’ll never happen. Not even a simple shoulder issue can the scientists agree on how to cure.

Kjetil Larsen
Last reply in this regard

Keren Purchase
Positioning the lower jaw more forwards to treat anteriorly displaced discs was the idea behind the dental treatment which I had. It didn’t work out though, I don’t think the splint was right.

Kjetil Larsen
Engineers (Y)

Kjetil Larsen
I misread your comment the first time. Your thought was correct, but idk what you did specifically nor why it failed.
You don’t need to use a splint, however. You have muscles that do this for you. Just protract the jaw 4mm and stay there. Make sure that the pterygoids are doing it and that the suprahyoid is relaxed.

Keren Purchase
Kjetil Larsen, I do need a splint because if I protract my jaw forwards, only my upper and lower incisors touch in an edge to edge position, and none of my back teeth touch at all when my jaw is forwards. In order for me to keep my jaw forwards when eating and sleeping I need a splint, otherwise when I eat and clench in my sleep I move my jaw back so my teeth meet.

Kjetil Larsen
No. The molars do not need to touch in resting position, because the occlusive state you already have is ruining your TMJ. Just get the jaw forward to unjam the TMJ. Only need a night splint if you have severe bruxism (night grinding).
You will (obviously) need to chew normally (without protraction) if you’re eating. Forget about eating and sleeping and try to get the resting position right first. Usually the remaining will resolve on its own. If not, you need a night splint for the bruxism.

Mandy Rose
I’ve just read it all, it’s not unlike what the dentists are charging thousands of £$€ for with no idea or guarantee that it will work..

Paula Circa
Kjetil Larsen what do you think about the relation between the sacrum and the skull, I have rectification in sacrum area and TMD, do you find any links? thanks!

Kjetil Larsen
Sure, they’re linked. How much they affect each other depends on how much or how little misalignment is present.
TMD is curable no matter how bad your lumbopelvic region is misaligned. Atlas on the other hand will suffer more.

Paula Circa
Kjetil Larsen well I have misalignement everywhere, hips ar uneven, atlas misaligned as well, I am protruding my jaw with a DIY splint and I have had enourmous relief, I find my sacrum area the most difficult to work with by myself, do you have any suggestions? Maybe what are the best postures to adopt (when sleeping, when seating, when walking, etc) or some kind of exercise that might loosen the sacrum?

Kjetil Larsen
Read my lower back article or ask on my FB wall

Paula Circa
Kjetil Larsen ok I will look for that article, I just thought if you explain here it might help other people with the same issues on this forum!

Kjetil Larsen
Then I need a lot more info on your issues. Details.

Paula Circa
Sure what details do you need? I have a spinogram, Mri, xrays, everything! you tell me!

Kjetil Larsen
It’s soon 1 am. I’ll reply tomorrow

Paula Circa
Sure when you can tell me what you need and I will post it! thanks! 🙂

Kjetil Larsen
Paula start by listing your exact sites of pain, what makes it worse and makes makes it better, and what type of pain(s) we’re talking about (burning, aching, stiffness, lightning, radiative pain, etc)
Also list any known pathology that have been identified in these regions by any examination you’ve had.
Usually the sacrum is too kyphotic, causing continuous malcompression of the spinal discs. I’ll need to know more, though.

Mandy Rose
Kjetil Larsen, just looked at your page, very interesting thank you. Maybe people on here will start to take notice.

Kjetil Larsen
Thanks Mandy.

David Kimmel
If only it was that simple and all patients were the same!!!

Tatyana Khablo
Everything genius is simple!

Tatiana Gelfand
Tatyana Khablo, maybe everything genius is simple but this does not mean that everything simple is genius. You might have some gap in your understanding of logic.

Clayton A. Chan
After you protract 2-4 mm and relax the jaw than what? How does this unjammed position remain stable for long term?

Kjetil Larsen
Permanently. Are you
Implying that the sphenoid will move?
The sphenoid is of course fixed, and pulling the mandible forward will unjam the TM and allow healing.

Kjetil Larsen
Surely the small amount of movement of sphenoid during respiration and CSF pumping is not great enough, nor permanent and can not cause the mandible to fall back.

Kjetil Larsen
Remember there’s a huge difference between using natural methods of protraction (muscles!) and a splint!

Clayton A. Chan
No, I am not implying that at all in my question. Many will disagree with your notion that the sphenoid bone is fixed and doesn’t move.
If the disc are anteriorized and condyles posteriorized how do you expect the TM joints to stay stable if the body learned to distalize and superiorize the condyles and displace the disc anteriorly in the first place?

Kjetil Larsen
It doesn’t move enough to cause posterior translation of the mandible over time. That was my point.
The body never learned such a thing. It’s not a compensation. It’s a direct effect of trauma. Compression and tearing of the retrodiscal tissue.
Get the jaw forward and it’ll be able to heal.

Thelma Louise Davis
Kjetil Larsen I have to agree with Dr Chan here, the sphenoid is not fixed, it can shift and rotate – yes mostly due to trauma, but unnatural biting forces are a form of a continual trauma to the gnathological structure. surely your theory is only addressing a small percentage of people, it does not take into account a patient’s dental or medical history, past treatments, etc.

Kjetil Larsen
Let’s agree to disagree. I’m tired of this post. Have a nice evening.

Mandy Rose
Thelma Louise Davis even if it helps one person though surely that would be something good? It’s free, not the 10k plus everyone else wants when their ideas are not proven either. I’m going to give this a go, he has been very helpful in explaining things and I don’t see any harm in it. I’ve researched this sinve the post was put up and it could very well help. 😊

Thelma Louise Davis
I totally agree with your view – there is no argument with that, many of us have tried crazier things than this just on the remote chance it would help or be the answer. Its more the delivery of the info that is the issue, and the insistence that it works 100% for all people – and the defensiveness when the theory is criticized. Had it just been put out there and suggested – not insisted- that people look into it and decide for themselves, this post would not have gotten the attention it did. But it did engage the group in a good, lively – occasionally entertaining and sometimes heated – discussion, for sure.

Mandy Rose
Thelma Louise Davis it sure has done that lol. I don’t usually get involved in posts but I couldn’t help it with this one. I don’t think it’s that’s crazy to be honest, not as crazy as handing over 10k with no remote guarantee at all!! That’s totally crazy to me. Who knows.. it might be crazy enough to work, I’ll let you know 😊

Thelma Louise Davis
there is actually some validity to certain points of the tx – I for one did get better by having a chiro do cranial manipulation after having tmj dentists destroy my bite – several times over – but we have seen similar issues where a surgeon says surgery is the only cure, nm says splints are the only cure, gnm says orthotics are the only cure and chiro and osteo say they alone can fix things…….tmjd is often a complex condition which needs a integrated approach to treat it – and to suggest – as Kjetil did – that symptoms which do not respond to his tx are therefore not related to tmjd – and therefore the patient needs to find other tx for those – confirms that notion. Good luck with it – even if it helps just a little – its worth it, eventually all the little things we do that help adds up – being a little better is better than being no better.

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